Comments The following represents commentary by Fisher Investments' staff members on the content of the foregoing article. All comments are subject to the full disclaimers of the MarketMinder.com website located here. 16 Comments Misleading... Added by ashmuth on 7/29/2009 2:30:54 PM There has been quite a bit of media hype about the Dow of late and it reaching 10,000. But in my opinion, such arbitrary milestones are meaningless. For more on this, I would suggest reading the 07/24/2009 cover story, "Misleading Milestones." Global Index All the Way Added by evec on 7/17/2009 3:29:07 PM I agree with ashmuth--a global index is a much better interpretation of today's investment world, in my opinion. Yes, the US is big, but it no longer truly dominates the globe. There's a reason why eliminating trade barriers is becoming increasingly important; people realize our world is becoming increasingly intertwined. I believe holding on to the Dow as a measure of how the US (or even the world, in some cases) is doing is simply flawed. Better alternatives Added by ashmuth on 7/8/2009 3:37:57 PM People do a lot of things based upon sentimental and cultural reasons. But in my opinion, benchmarking your portfolio against an index that was introduced ages ago (before there was realtime index pricing as EBA points out) is just crazy. As with most things, better alternatives to similar concepts are created and this is the case with the Dow--in my opinion, investors these days should be using a global index. Every dog has its day Added by jd on 6/29/2009 2:55:59 PM The Dow is definitely outdated. There was a time it was one of the only options for following stocks--and in fact, a fairly innovative one, all things considered. Before the Dow, investors had few consistent and widely available methods for following stocks. And because the stock market was much, much smaller, fewer companies might have been more representative then. But none of that excuses its major flaws today. Since its creation, index construction has advanced leaps and bounds, and the US stock market has expanded mightily (not to mention the global market, as asmuth and evec rightly point out!). As a Fisher Investments employee, I think there are better options out there. The Dow just doesn’t cut it anymore. Pretty much everyone but the media gets that. Every dog has its day, but that's no reason the Dow should stay. Dow and Daily Movements Added by evec on 6/26/2009 2:49:34 PM I think it's foolish how the Dow's daily movements are tracked so closely by so many. What does the Dow really stand for anyway? (Well, it's 30 stocks, but that was a rhetorical question.) Point is, the Dow doesn't accurately reflect the health of the US or the global stock market. I believe it's important to remember that. An ailing index Added by ashmuth on 6/24/2009 3:48:45 PM I completely agree with evec. I think it makes much more sense to follow a global index instead in today�s world. Global trade is alive and well, so why wouldn�t you track a global index? In my opinion, it doesn�t even make sense anymore to look at an index such as the Dow. Dow Is Flawed Added by evec on 6/19/2009 3:36:03 PM As a Fisher Investments employee, I cringe a little when I hear morning newscasters announcing the Dow's movements. What I've learned is thinking that a mere 30 stocks is an accurate representation of the US stock market is absolutely foolish. I believe it's best to stop following such a limited index and start tracking a more global index--after all, the world is becoming more intertwined due to increased trade and travel among countries. Outdated Added by ashmuth on 6/17/2009 2:57:29 PM As a Fisher Investments employee, I don't lend legitimacy to an index just because it's well-known. Recently, GM and Citigroup were both dropped from the Dow and replaced with Cisco Systems and Travelers. Why not get rid of the index all together? Simple, the Dow is popular and the name resonates with investors. Despite being outdated, I wouldn't expect this index to disappear for quite some time. But I think there are much more relevant indexes out there for the modern investor to use as a benchmark. No More Dow Added by evec on 6/12/2009 1:57:47 PM I believe the Dow is still around purely for nostalgia's sake, but when has nostalgia ever made anyone money? (Except for collectibles, but that's something else altogether.) Using the Dow as a way to gauge the economy and/or stock market is a bad idea in my opinion, and the Dow should not be allowed such prominence in financial news or anything related to the markets. Arbitrary Dow cont. Added by ashmuth on 6/10/2009 1:25:40 PM I agree with CRF…removing companies from a benchmark shouldn’t be so subjective and only makes me question the Dow’s accountability even more. In my opinion, I think it’s better to look to a market-cap weighted index as a better benchmark to track movement. Dow Origins Added by EBA on 6/2/2009 5:31:34 PM The Dow began as a quick way for traders to figure out if the broader market had gone up or down in the course of a given trading day.... back in the early 1900's! Before there was realtime index pricing, this was a fast manual calculation. The fact that it's still around is laughable. I don't care about the Dow Added by ashmuth on 6/2/2009 4:31:19 PM I agree with evec, I don't think the Dow is a reputable index and is definitely flawed. Also, I find it odd when the Dow is experiencing highs investors believe it to be a legitimate index. But if the Dow heads south and investor portfolios are outperforming vs. the Dow then all of a sudden it isn’t legitimate anymore? How could an index with such a small representation of stocks ever be a good comparison for anything? As a Fisher Investments employee, I believe there are far better indices out there. Arbitrary Dow Added by CRF on 6/2/2009 4:27:22 PM A lot of investors were questioning why Citigroup and GM weren't removed from the Dow sooner. The same sort of questioning happened with AIG. If a benchmark index is being questioned, then that shows it's flawed. Adding and removing companies from the benchmark shouldn't be a subjective thing, based on the opinions of a Dow committee, but on standardized metrics. With market-cap weighted indexes, the metrics are clear and clean-cut. All this hoopla surrounding the Dow is....just hoopla Added by evec on 6/2/2009 4:24:32 PM When GM and Citi were taken off the Dow, it caused a media firestorm. My opinion? Big deal. So what if the two companies were taken off the index? Yes, the Dow is still tracked by many to gauge the health of the US economy, a fact that boggles my mind. As a Fisher Investments employee, I believe placing so much emphasis on one inherently flawed index isn't a smart move. Is the Dow good for anything? Added by LRD on 6/2/2009 2:15:19 PM This article makes some excellent points why the Dow is poorly constructed. As a Fisher Investments employee, I tend to agree the DJIA falls short of being a valuable benchmark. Are there any redeeming qualities? Despite its blatant flaws, I know lots of people pay attention to it. From my perspective, the Dow clearly isn't very representative of broad US equities, but I'm curious if the Dow might be reflective of investor sentiment. Any thoughts? Who cares about the Dow? Added by evec on 6/2/2009 10:53:16 AM Not me. As a Fisher Investments employee, I believe the Dow is an extremely flawed index, as explained in this MarketMinder article. In this day and age, it makes no sense to put so much emphasis on an index that tracks only 30, US-only stocks. That's ridiculous, considering there are a lot more than 30 stocks in the US alone--not to mention the world is becoming increasingly global. I definitely won't be making the mistake of using the Dow to track market movement.
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